Define Perfect Weapon plz - Guild Wars Forums

funbun · Apr 13, 2006, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Ok, I'm seeing people put up auctions for perfect wepons and yet the req are like 13 or something. Sure all the other stats are perfect, but with high reqs how can you call it perfect?

Perfect means without flaw. 13 reqs seems like a flaw to me.

What do you guys think?

Mandy Memory · Apr 13, 2006, 08:41 PM // 20:41

Perfect would be max damage and max mods (Doesnt even matter what mods...some are better, but the others would still be "perfect")

The requirement doesnt matter...because it doesnt effect anything...(Unless your build is not maxed out)

chessyang · Apr 13, 2006, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by funbun

What do you guys think?

welll IMO i define 13 as not perfect......

People are posting its perfect so someone will buy it (knowing) its not really perfect and hopeing to make a few K.

Me i just use the collectors after spending 50+k on UNids and forget about trying to buy a perfect (req 8 or less) sword or axe skin weapon.... blah.... i gave up on looking for a 15^50 long sword req 8 or 7

funbun · Apr 13, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by chessyang

welll IMO i define 13 as not perfect......

People are posting its perfect so someone will buy it (knowing) its not really perfect and hopeing to make a few K.

Me i just use the collectors after spending 50+k on UNids and forget about trying to buy a perfect (req 8 or less) sword or axe skin weapon.... blah.... i gave up on looking for a 15^50 long sword req 8 or 7

I hear ya. Collectors weapons are the most under-rated weapons in the game. I like using collector weapons with mods.

Burakus Lightwing · Apr 13, 2006, 09:33 PM // 21:33

As long as it's dmg. stats are max and mods are max then it is perfect. The Req. has nothing to do with the damage. That is effected by the amount you have in your attribute.
Weapon A
15-22 req. 8
damage 15%^50
life stealing 3
health regen -1
health +30

Weapon B
15-22 req.13
damage 15%^50
life stealing 3
health regen -1
health +30
Both are perfect weapons and will do the same damage.

funbun · Apr 13, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Burakus Lightwing

As long as it's dmg. stats are max and mods are max then it is perfect. The Req. has nothing to do with the damage. That is effected by the amount you have in your attribute.
15-22 req. 8
damage 15%^50
life stealing 3
health regen -1
health +30

15-22 req.13
damage 15%^50
life stealing 3
health regen -1
health +30
Both are perfect weapons and will do the same damage.

Let me ask this: of the two hypothetical weapons you which will be worth more? The 8 req weapon will be worth 100k, the 8 req will only be worth maybe 10-20k? Is that about acurate? I mean low req weapons sell far more than high req weapons. So I always figured since reqs play such a role in price difference that it would be considered in what makes a weapon perfect.

Aren't Green weapons considered perfect? Are there any 13 req green weapons? Are there any greens that req higher than 8?

xiaotsu · Apr 13, 2006, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by funbun

Let me ask this: of the two hypothetical weapons you which will be worth more? The 8 req weapon will be worth 100k, the 8 req will only be worth maybe 10-20k? Is that about acurate? I mean low req weapons sell far more than high req weapons. So I always figured since reqs play such a role in price difference that it would be considered in what makes a weapon perfect.

Aren't Green weapons considered perfect? Are there any 13 req green weapons? Are there any greens that req higher than 8?

Might want to fix that sentence. Also, the only greens I've seen have been req 9, I've never seen lower, or higher, although I could be wrong.

I wouldn't consider a req 13 perfect, but since it's the damage and mods that the people are talking about, sure, it's perfect in every aspect other than the req.

Burakus Lightwing · Apr 13, 2006, 09:59 PM // 21:59

Being "perfect" -max stats. Has nothing to do with the price except that some people truly believe that a low req. will do more damage, It doesn't, or they are running farming builds and don't need 16 attributes in a weapon line.
What is your idea of perfect? It seems to be the req. 8 to you. Why?
If you take my two example weapons and have your attribute in sword set to 16 they will do the exact same amount of damage. I would think that a "perfect" weapon is one that has maximum stats in all catagories.
Both weapons are 15-22
both weapons are 15%^50
both are 3/-1
both +30 health.
and at 16 attribute both are hitting for max dmg/max critical. - perfect
Now if you have weapon A and 12 attribute points in sword and weapon B at 12 attribute in swors then A is doing more damage because it is reaching the weapon requirement while weeapon B is not.
In that case, you have a reason why people will pay more for low req. weapons. They may be using them in builds(farming) where they are not maxing out to a 16 in a weapon attribute.

tuna-fish_sushi · Apr 13, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

perfect =
max damage req7
+15% damage (unconditional)
accompianed with 2 max mods

perfect doesnt just refer to the damage / mods but the whole weapon in particular including the skin and requirement... (perfect skin is to the liking of the owner who believes it is perfect)

for example:
would you rather have a req 7 crystalline sword or a req 13 crystalline sword?
I guarentee you ever one who actually plays guild wars and can read will take the req 7 crystalline. Thus a weapon is more desirable. More desirable means more perfect which would thus make the one that is less perfect not perfect.

SnoopJeDi · Apr 13, 2006, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by funbun

Sure all the other stats are perfect, but with high reqs how can you call it perfect?

Depends. If it's a great holy rod, you're probably maxing your healing prayers anyway.

Sure, a req 7 15>50 crystalline is much more "perfect," but I challenge you to find an abundance of them. A perfect weapon is only as perfect as you (and the seller) see it.

Wretchman Drake · Apr 13, 2006, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by Burakus Lightwing

Being "perfect" -max stats. Has nothing to do with the price except that some people truly believe that a low req. will do more damage, It doesn't, or they are running farming builds and don't need 16 attributes in a weapon line.
What is your idea of perfect? It seems to be the req. 8 to you. Why?
If you take my two example weapons and have your attribute in sword set to 16 they will do the exact same amount of damage. I would think that a "perfect" weapon is one that has maximum stats in all catagories.
Both weapons are 15-22
both weapons are 15%^50
both are 3/-1
both +30 health.
and at 16 attribute both are hitting for max dmg/max critical. - perfect
Now if you have weapon A and 12 attribute points in sword and weapon B at 12 attribute in swors then A is doing more damage because it is reaching the weapon requirement while weeapon B is not.
In that case, you have a reason why people will pay more for low req. weapons. They may be using them in builds(farming) where they are not maxing out to a 16 in a weapon attribute.

Yes, this is all correct. As he said, no matter what your attribute points are at, it will do the same damage no matter what the requirements are.

I also don't understand why fools spend 30k extra for weapons that are about the same as collector's, but I guess if you got the money what else would you spend in a game like this?

chessyang · Apr 13, 2006, 10:32 PM // 22:32

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Originally Posted by funbun

Let me ask this: of the two hypothetical weapons you which will be worth more?

as in worth Gold? the req 8.... i won't pay 100k for it but it be nice to have a req 8 so your build would have less in sword. or something like that.

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Originally Posted by funbun

Aren't Green weapons considered perfect?

i don't recall the all the stats on the green but because you can't mod them only cust them no one really wants them (no all... so clam down and don't flame)

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Originally Posted by funbun

Are there any 13 req green weapons? Are there any greens that req higher than 8?

don't think so. i think there all 8 or 9?

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Originally Posted by funbun

I hear ya. Collectors weapons are the most under-rated weapons in the game. I like using collector weapons with mods.

Sweet! glad you agree -)

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

I also don't understand why fools spend 30k extra for weapons that are about the same as collector's,

bragging rights..... my friend wants to find a req 7 long sword 15^50 .... and i tell him that the one at droknar is cheapter w/ a differant skin and when u cust it, it will do more damage... oh well.... saying my long sword is 10/10 req7 20% ench means you can kill 1 second faster....

B Ephekt · Apr 13, 2006, 10:41 PM // 22:41

All greens are req 9.

For caster weapons I don't mind high req because your main attribute line should always be at 15 or 16 anyway. For swords, axes and bows the low reqs are appealing but anything under req 10 should be just fine. That said, I'm not willing to pay 100k+ for any weapons, but I do like greens because they're often cheaper than their gold counterparts. (and yes, people DO want greens, I don't know why you would say otherwise. lol. Greens have just become so common that prices have dropped.)

funbun · Apr 14, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by chessyang

(no all... so clam down and don't flame)

I wasn't flameing I was just asking a question. not making a statement.

xiaotsu · Apr 14, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by chessyang

i don't recall the all the stats on the green but because you can't mod them only cust them no one really wants them (no all... so clam down and don't flame)

Greens are perfect. I myself use green bows on my ranger, as I can't get ahold of a decent non-green that isn't way overpriced. It's easier to buy greens as they're fairly cheap and have perfect mods on them, whereas a gold bow with the same skin and the same mods would cost more, in most cases. Greens are desired by people, you just don't notice it alot because it's so easy to buy them that they don't have to spam for 3 hours straight.

fiery · Apr 14, 2006, 01:45 AM // 01:45

All greens for example are perfect, many non-greens can have the same exact mods which makes them perfect.

Low requirement is great and all, but say your an Axe warrior a req.13 axe won't affect you in anyway.

Mandy Memory · Apr 14, 2006, 05:59 AM // 05:59

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Originally Posted by tuna-fish_sushi

perfect =
max damage req7
+15% damage (unconditional)
accompianed with 2 max mods

perfect doesnt just refer to the damage / mods but the whole weapon in particular including the skin and requirement... (perfect skin is to the liking of the owner who believes it is perfect)

for example:
would you rather have a req 7 crystalline sword or a req 13 crystalline sword?
I guarentee you ever one who actually plays guild wars and can read will take the req 7 crystalline. Thus a weapon is more desirable. More desirable means more perfect which would thus make the one that is less perfect not perfect.

The requirement does not make it more desirable to me...So I guess that makes it imperfect than? Same with the crystalline part.

I guess the only perfect weapons are X PvP Y of Z.

Oh...and not all greens are perfect.

frojack · Apr 14, 2006, 07:12 AM // 07:12

Well if you ever want to experiment with different builds that don't require "OMG! 16 sword FTW!" then you'll probably want the optimum damage/attribute value from your weapon. That optimum is 12.
In which case, 13 requirement isn't that good.

Scary Raebbit · Apr 14, 2006, 07:36 AM // 07:36

One green that isn't perfect that comes to mind is Ivor's Smiting Rod with only +3 Energy while enchanted.

Loralai · Apr 14, 2006, 07:54 AM // 07:54

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One green that isn't perfect that comes to mind is Ivor's Smiting Rod with only +3 Energy while enchanted

Vilnar's Claw +3 (hexed) imperfect imo.

Apr 13, 2006, 08:39 PM // 20:39	#1
funbun Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: I forget. Really. I don't know. Profession: Mo/	Define Perfect Weapon plz Ok, I'm seeing people put up auctions for perfect wepons and yet the req are like 13 or something. Sure all the other stats are perfect, but with high reqs how can you call it perfect? Perfect means without flaw. 13 reqs seems like a flaw to me. What do you guys think? Last edited by funbun; Apr 13, 2006 at 08:43 PM // 20:43..

Apr 13, 2006, 09:33 PM // 21:33	#5
Burakus Lightwing Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: W/	As long as it's dmg. stats are max and mods are max then it is perfect. The Req. has nothing to do with the damage. That is effected by the amount you have in your attribute. Weapon A 15-22 req. 8 damage 15%^50 life stealing 3 health regen -1 health +30 Weapon B 15-22 req.13 damage 15%^50 life stealing 3 health regen -1 health +30 Both are perfect weapons and will do the same damage. Last edited by Burakus Lightwing; Apr 13, 2006 at 10:00 PM // 22:00..

Apr 13, 2006, 09:59 PM // 21:59	#8
Burakus Lightwing Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: W/	Being "perfect" -max stats. Has nothing to do with the price except that some people truly believe that a low req. will do more damage, It doesn't, or they are running farming builds and don't need 16 attributes in a weapon line. What is your idea of perfect? It seems to be the req. 8 to you. Why? If you take my two example weapons and have your attribute in sword set to 16 they will do the exact same amount of damage. I would think that a "perfect" weapon is one that has maximum stats in all catagories. Both weapons are 15-22 both weapons are 15%^50 both are 3/-1 both +30 health. and at 16 attribute both are hitting for max dmg/max critical. - perfect Now if you have weapon A and 12 attribute points in sword and weapon B at 12 attribute in swors then A is doing more damage because it is reaching the weapon requirement while weeapon B is not. In that case, you have a reason why people will pay more for low req. weapons. They may be using them in builds(farming) where they are not maxing out to a 16 in a weapon attribute. Last edited by Burakus Lightwing; Apr 13, 2006 at 10:02 PM // 22:02..

Apr 13, 2006, 10:41 PM // 22:41	#13
B Ephekt Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2006 Guild: Team Crystalline [TC] Profession: Mo/	All greens are req 9. For caster weapons I don't mind high req because your main attribute line should always be at 15 or 16 anyway. For swords, axes and bows the low reqs are appealing but anything under req 10 should be just fine. That said, I'm not willing to pay 100k+ for any weapons, but I do like greens because they're often cheaper than their gold counterparts. (and yes, people DO want greens, I don't know why you would say otherwise. lol. Greens have just become so common that prices have dropped.) Last edited by B Ephekt; Apr 13, 2006 at 10:45 PM // 22:45..

Apr 13, 2006, 08:41 PM // 20:41	#2
Mandy Memory Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Guild: Xen of Sigils [XoO] Profession: W/	Perfect would be max damage and max mods (Doesnt even matter what mods...some are better, but the others would still be "perfect") The requirement doesnt matter...because it doesnt effect anything...(Unless your build is not maxed out)

Apr 13, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00	#9
tuna-fish_sushi Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: California Profession: E/A	perfect = max damage req7 +15% damage (unconditional) accompianed with 2 max mods perfect doesnt just refer to the damage / mods but the whole weapon in particular including the skin and requirement... (perfect skin is to the liking of the owner who believes it is perfect) for example: would you rather have a req 7 crystalline sword or a req 13 crystalline sword? I guarentee you ever one who actually plays guild wars and can read will take the req 7 crystalline. Thus a weapon is more desirable. More desirable means more perfect which would thus make the one that is less perfect not perfect.

Apr 14, 2006, 01:45 AM // 01:45	#16
fiery Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: maryland Guild: InYurFace Gaming [IYF] Profession: R/	All greens for example are perfect, many non-greens can have the same exact mods which makes them perfect. Low requirement is great and all, but say your an Axe warrior a req.13 axe won't affect you in anyway.

Apr 14, 2006, 07:12 AM // 07:12	#18
frojack Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London, UK Guild: Rite Of Passage [RP] Profession: E/Mo	Well if you ever want to experiment with different builds that don't require "OMG! 16 sword FTW!" then you'll probably want the optimum damage/attribute value from your weapon. That optimum is 12. In which case, 13 requirement isn't that good.

Apr 14, 2006, 07:36 AM // 07:36	#19
Scary Raebbit Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005	One green that isn't perfect that comes to mind is Ivor's Smiting Rod with only +3 Energy while enchanted.